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Author:  Seaweed [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:14 am ]
Post subject:  Self Bloodbagging...
So I made a change yesterday to make self blood bagging only possible inside hospitals, medical tents and player built camps.

I want to use this thread to get feedback from you guys on if you like the change or not. Let me know you feelings on the issue with the poll and let me know why.
Author:  SNM! Omen [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
can you make it so you get a greater effect if youre at a tent, 12k? and like 4k out in the battlefield country side? maybe a compromise of the 2.
Author:  jayson [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
You should not be able to do it in combat and it should take a minute to bloodbag and you should only could blood bag every 10 minute :) and only 4k blood
Author:  Connor [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
I think Omen's idea is a good compromise between the two tbh, but i do not mind either way :)
Author:  Seaweed [ Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
SNM! Omen wrote:
can you make it so you get a greater effect if youre at a tent, 12k? and like 4k out in the battlefield country side? maybe a compromise of the 2.


I could but I don't like this idea.

The whole reason I removed it is because it made the game way too easy, most of the people who were using it regularly were doing so at like 8k blood anyway so it wouldn't change anything. By disabling it they have to adapt their game. Learn to avoid zombies more instead of sprinting everywhere and they have to remember to farm some meat. When self bloodbagging was enabled no one was collecting meat at all everyone just used a self BB when they got into the slightest trouble.
Author:  GeordieMarv [ Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
Seaweed wrote:
When self bloodbagging was enabled no one was collecting meat at all everyone just used a self BB when they got into the slightest trouble.


^^THIS EXACTLY

To be honest, if this isn't going to be removed then I am happy with only being able to do it at hospital tents or hospitals.

But In my honest opinion, it should be removed entirely. It kind of removes the need for hunting as it is, and makes it almost redundant.

If you get into a fight and get severe blood loss through lead poisoning (being shot), then you go off and hunt. If it means you can hardly see, and have to spend 30 mins looking for an animal...then so be it.

It adds to the tension, paranoia and urgency. This is how the game is meant to be! Otherwise there is no real penalty for being in a fight. It turns into "Oh i'm hit...meh...i'll just go hide behind this rock for 5 mins and bloodbag myself. Then i'm as good as new and straight back into the fight!"

Giving you a major advantage over someone that isn't fortunate enough to have a bloodbag on them. Hardly fair in my opinion.

Where is the penalty for being shot in the first place? Where is the urgency, danger? It's totally removed, as all you have to do is scamper off and hide for 5 minutes.

I appreciate that this was to try and help lone wolves, I play a lot by myself too. Even when my other clan members are on the server. Sometimes I just prefer to be alone. But if I get shot and have severe blood loss, I adapt and deal with it. i.e I go off and hunt. I don't see it as a problem. It's :-

a) My penalty for being in a fight and being crap enough to get shot.
b) Part of the game
c) An enjoyable paranoid 20 mins or so, as I scamper about half blind and passing out till I find an animal.
Author:  Investoren [ Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
Couldnt agree more with Geordie on this! :)
Author:  SNM! Omen [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
GeordieMarv wrote:
But In my honest opinion, it should be removed entirely. It kind of removes the need for hunting as it is, and makes it almost redundant.

remove blood bagging completely? even person to person blood bagging?

if thats the case, im all for it. if you want realism, i dont know how to give a person a blood transfusion or how to fly a biplane IRL.

if youre gunna allow one, allow them both or remove both?

1 option, you can blood bag your friend to 12k blood in 10 sec.
another way, you dont need a friend and only get 6k blood and that takes 60 sec.

both are pretty unrealistic actually.
Author:  Seaweed [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
SNM! Omen wrote:
GeordieMarv wrote:
But In my honest opinion, it should be removed entirely. It kind of removes the need for hunting as it is, and makes it almost redundant.

remove blood bagging completely? even person to person blood bagging?

if thats the case, im all for it. if you want realism, i dont know how to give a person a blood transfusion or how to fly a biplane IRL.

if youre gunna allow one, allow them both or remove both?

1 option, you can blood bag your friend to 12k blood in 10 sec.
another way, you dont need a friend and only get 6k blood and that takes 60 sec.

both are pretty unrealistic actually.


He was talking about SELF blood-bagging I think

edit: btw self blood bag takes 30 seconds and has been a 12k heal ever since I made it only work in hospitals.
Author:  GeordieMarv [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
To clarify, yes just self blood bagging.
Author:  SNM! Omen [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
i dont understand the logic i guess.

taking 2 guys out of the fight for 10 seconds to blood bag each other 12k is ok

but

taking one guy out for 60 seconds to blood bag himself for 6-8k is bad
Author:  Seaweed [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
Bloodbagging is part of dayz it always has been, having two squad members move from their current positions in the middle of a firefight so they can blood bag is a very risky thing in most cases. Just like last night, you had to have squad members move position to bloodbag you. They were shot in the process. Self bloodbagging is not a part of dayz and requires you to do nothing more than sit in a tree to avoid fire. Self BB is easy mode I've seen the way people use the mod and its lame and completely eliminates the need to hunt food and keep it in your inventory.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=543 2 months ago you said you wouldnt even use self bloodbagging unless it was a 12k heal and took less time, you said you'd rather use rabbit meat. Why are rabbits suddenly so hard to kill?
Author:  SNM! Omen [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
Rabbits arent suddenly hard to kill at all, I killed 4 yesterday after i dropped to 360 blood, shaking and black and white. Whats your point? You arent ruffling my feathers with that comment. I even taught Gravity how to rabbit hunt in TS last night.

You dont need to leave your position in a firefight to bloodbag someone for 10 seconds, come on now. You just get one person to run to you, if hes not already near you.

Remove it, I dont really give a shit to be honest. I just dont understand the logic is all. 10 sec for 12k vs 60 sec for 6k.

Easier as a squad to eat up the lone wolves.
Author:  SNM! Omen [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Self Bloodbagging...
Seaweed wrote:
you said you'd rather use rabbit meat.



yup, then they fucked with the blood you get from them and also how long it takes for the blood to build. the game changes. adapt or die.

as you can see, i have no issue with regaining 11,640 blood from animals.
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